Totally agree with everything you've said here. The SLS2 is actually an incredible step forward in almost every way, the performance is finally there, it has all the features we want, they added back in usb-a and a card reader! But they just fumbled it in the end with a super poor screen choice.
ASUS does the gaming and screen part well, but yeah, they aren't the best pen experiences, and build quality not quite as good.
Yea, but I feel comparing IPS panel with OLED is very unfair. Any IPS panel looks bad in comparison. There are a lot of good IPS gaming laptops. It would be great to see the difference there.
Thanks. I've always respected your opinions and while I agree with you on the technical aspects, I'm not sure just how much it matters. I've got about 8 hours of gaming on my SLS 2 second top business model with the i7-13800H and 4060. Just spent playing Forza Motorsport for about 45 minutes.
Even if the screen isn't the best the performance is just so much better for gaming relative to any Surface device playing new games of the day. Forza Motorsport & Assigns Creed Mirage run very well on this thing. A perfectly fine 1080p mid to high settings gaming experience.
Great to hear. How about scrolling through text, does it look washed out while text is in motion? Notebookcheck says there are no major issues with ghosting, so I’m hopeful.
It's going to depend a lot per game on how much response rate matters.
For a game like Mirage, or any single player action game that's not maybe a Soulslike, it won't really matter. You know what you have to do way before you do it. Similarly in Forza, while the game is fast, you are generally reacting to the track, which you are well aware of. Computer racing opponents don't tend to do frame-by-frame changes that will greatly impact your decision making.
However, in games like:
Street Fighter 6/Mortal Kombat 1, or any fighting game
Apex Legends or Call of Duty or any competitive FPS game
Frame-perfect parry and dodge games (souls likes, hard platformers, etc)
I wonder how bad video playback is, or just scrolling a web page.
Yup, been using Surface books since 2015 and was hyped for this laptop since I've been needing to upgrade, but bought a Flow X16 the day I read those NotebookCheck numbers.
Still seems like a good laptop if you like the form factor and are more on the creative devolvement side, but they've moved away from being all-arounders that included medium-ish gaming like the older Surface Books. Not that the older Books were much better, but things were different when they came out and MS hasn't kept up with others.
Curious if you saw any change in response times when the display was set to the 60 hz mode? Because of what I like to play, I'm generally happy gaming at 60fps with vSync. So if I had to disable high refresh rate on this display to get better response times, I would have no problem with that.
Hmmm. Just from using both gen 1 and the new gen2. The SLS2 seems much better overall, it could be that my biggest grip with gen 1 was the trackpad and that has been fixed here. The screen is decent but scrolling you can for sure see a difference compared to say the razer blade 16 120hz. As i like the just plain windows install without extra crap (or having to install tools or other things) I’ll stick with it. But i would like a more fluid screen on the next version.
Totally agree with everything you've said here.
The SLS2 is actually an incredible step forward in almost every way, the performance is finally there, it has all the features we want, they added back in usb-a and a card reader! But they just fumbled it in the end with a super poor screen choice.
ASUS does the gaming and screen part well, but yeah, they aren't the best pen experiences, and build quality not quite as good.
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Yea, but I feel comparing IPS panel with OLED is very unfair. Any IPS panel looks bad in comparison. There are a lot of good IPS gaming laptops. It would be great to see the difference there.
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Thanks. I've always respected your opinions and while I agree with you on the technical aspects, I'm not sure just how much it matters. I've got about 8 hours of gaming on my SLS 2 second top business model with the i7-13800H and 4060. Just spent playing Forza Motorsport for about 45 minutes.
Even if the screen isn't the best the performance is just so much better for gaming relative to any Surface device playing new games of the day. Forza Motorsport & Assigns Creed Mirage run very well on this thing. A perfectly fine 1080p mid to high settings gaming experience.
Great to hear. How about scrolling through text, does it look washed out while text is in motion? Notebookcheck says there are no major issues with ghosting, so I’m hopeful.
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It's going to depend a lot per game on how much response rate matters.
For a game like Mirage, or any single player action game that's not maybe a Soulslike, it won't really matter. You know what you have to do way before you do it. Similarly in Forza, while the game is fast, you are generally reacting to the track, which you are well aware of. Computer racing opponents don't tend to do frame-by-frame changes that will greatly impact your decision making.
However, in games like:
Street Fighter 6/Mortal Kombat 1, or any fighting game
Apex Legends or Call of Duty or any competitive FPS game
Frame-perfect parry and dodge games (souls likes, hard platformers, etc)
This huge input lag can be life or death.
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I wonder how bad video playback is, or just scrolling a web page.
Yup, been using Surface books since 2015 and was hyped for this laptop since I've been needing to upgrade, but bought a Flow X16 the day I read those NotebookCheck numbers.
Still seems like a good laptop if you like the form factor and are more on the creative devolvement side, but they've moved away from being all-arounders that included medium-ish gaming like the older Surface Books. Not that the older Books were much better, but things were different when they came out and MS hasn't kept up with others.
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Curious if you saw any change in response times when the display was set to the 60 hz mode? Because of what I like to play, I'm generally happy gaming at 60fps with vSync. So if I had to disable high refresh rate on this display to get better response times, I would have no problem with that.
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Hmmm. Just from using both gen 1 and the new gen2. The SLS2 seems much better overall, it could be that my biggest grip with gen 1 was the trackpad and that has been fixed here. The screen is decent but scrolling you can for sure see a difference compared to say the razer blade 16 120hz. As i like the just plain windows install without extra crap (or having to install tools or other things) I’ll stick with it. But i would like a more fluid screen on the next version.