Eclipse

It's not that - Eclipse works on Null Star whichever slot it is in, it's listed right up there on the page. I put Null Star on Mirage's slot 2 since I don't think I have even once used the original ability, and that allows me to have DR from that and damage from Eclipse at the same time. As far as ability damage, it's just too bad that while Prism can actually kill things, Null Star... not really. Even with Eclipse it's essentially useless for damage in Steel Path. Fine for normal star chart content, I guess.

Hmm... adding on to my previous message, it does seem I underestimated the Neutron Star augment now that I actually gave it a try. That together with Eclipse does provide some pretty decent AoE damage (on Mirage, that is).

You're math is off that's is a 85% reduction from the pure skill, and a 80% reduction from the helminth ability, don't blame DE the community sometimes needs to learn when to shut up, listen I think it's bad too but after player for over 5+ years I've learn something certain mechanics I rather discuss privately remain untouched and unmatched and was even buffed because people kept there mouths shut but people kept complain about it being "inconsistent" and didn't like how you got partial effects based on lighting and pablo said "ok we'll make it a toggle" they always intended to nerf it don't you see that? So going forward pretend like everything amazing is mid alongside everything that is actually mid because most of DE unlike Pablo doesn't actually play their game because if they did baruuk would've been nerfed but they don't so going forward let's not make any complaints about well certain frames,

Brother what the fuck are you saying

Baruuk? Nerf? YOU'RE the one who doesn't play the fucking game LMAO

Brother needs a fucking slap

One of the bigger nerfs in the complete history of the game.

Nah it only was good for certain situations since the dmg buff only was active in well lit areas, so it was very inconsistend. And was specifically the best for doing Tridolons since the bmg buff weirdly worked at night in Eidolon, and since with a high strength build that gave around +800% dmg boost, you were able to cheese Tridolons even with a mk1 braton.

But everything has changed with the addition of dmg attenuation anyway so lets be honest: if you come to mission these days with good minmaxed build, you'll kill mobs in 0,1 nanoseconds anyway already. And if you face a boss who has dmg reduction anyway, that dmg reduction will fuck you up anyway.

Says who, who the actually fuck mis using a MK 1 one braton incarnonless? the MK1 braton shouldn't make it past phobos

Blud's a bit eetarded and cant read. No one's saying they're missing the MK1 braton. They just mentioned that tridolons were possible with just the MK1 because eclipse was so powerful back then.

Shield gating is stressful man, 1 unnoticed sec can cause your death and ruin the whole run. why dont just take revenant or ash then go bruh bruh with eclipse without afraid of dying

Because I'd rather jump into a running Chainsaw than to consistently be bored while playing

Are you jumping towards the chainsaw horizontally, or jumping down onto the chainsaw vertically? Diving down headfirst into a chainsaw sounds pretty thrilling if I do say so.

Something like Precision Intensify for example enables you to have a full strip Pillage on Mirage without being too strict on the stats.. or capped Gloom for example. You do NOT need to have shield gating to have decent defenses on her, unless you are doing endurance runs. Then you would need extra layers on top of those. Blind Rage, Tansient and Precision on tandem with Corrosive Projection can already can your Pillage, which suits Mirage really well. You could build those even for endurance runs without needing Brief Respite for it. You do not need shield gating to play Mirage comfortably.

Eclipse has always been a multiplicative increase though.

Ngl with respect the OP is a troll 50%, show's how talking pretty only gets you so far XD

Eclipse has always been multiplicative dummy, this is just a pure nerf

Bro's onto nothing 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

As much as it was nerfed yes , damage reduction from eclipse is multiplicative so saying to just use armour DR doesnt dismiss it since it would stack as i said multiplicatvely with any armour dr

L11, Sorta yes but mostly no. DR has diminishing returns as the armor values go up. So IF you are already using armor arcanes then that armor from the arcane is all you need for high DR. You can add more DR on that value but it wont actually matter more then a few percent of DR. Helminth Eclipse is not worth it if you are already using an armor generating arcane.

Are you dumb? Eclipse damage reduction stacks multiplicatvely. This far and beyond increases survivability. You'll last a while in SP when it stacks multiplicatvely with armour AND adaptation.

Eclipse stacks multiplicative with armor. So for a simple calculation if you got 500 health and 300 armor for a 50% damage reduction and eclipse with 75% damage reduction you have effective EHP of 4000. With just armor it would be EHP of 1000.

"Are you dumb? Eclipse damage reduction stacks multiplicatvely." As I said really clearly, if you already have a high armor with an arcane, the additional DR from Eclipse is pointless. oy.

Yes, you caught on to their nefarious “agenda”, it’s very good we have a genius on the case.

Touch grass.

they do have some problematic balancing ideals, no grass is required to realize that.

Ya. there problematic balancing ideas is

"let the over powered stuff stay overpowered for years so when we nerf it the playerbase DDos' the server again" (looking at the memeing strike. which could have been nutered by making that 90% a flat AFTER mods not on base)

Or the alternative

"that super inconsistent thing that could be good if we touched it a littlebit or bug fixed it...lets ignore it because 90% of the playerbase isnt using it anyways" (**flails wildly at bugged weapons like miter and panthera or jank stuff that only kinda works half the time**)

From the dev chats they told us why they nerfed eclipse. Nearly everyone was using it on Helminth, versus any other ability. And also the damage increase it provided was OP. So they nerfed it to the ground. FWIW I dont use it anymore on any frame because the nerf made it almost pointless.

They nerfed helminth damage bonus, probably didn't update helminth UI

May I ask is it still okay to use the 'a nerf' eclipse's damage increases or should I just stick with 'an okay' Nourish?

Nourish is still incredible. it's a completely overloaded abiltity and that didn't change. if you want best damage from helminth go roar though