Valence Formation

Pretty sure it's the same. I've been adding cold to Corrosive/Heat builds and it does cold procs alongside the Corrosive/Blast damage from the weapon.

That's a really good thing to note here, maybe this should be added to this page?

Yea its designed for Cedo since that thing can't status with its meat on a frame that's supposed to print statuses

Yes, the bonus dmg will combine with applicable single elements of the build. Your ignis will indeed deal rad dmg while having forced elec procs. And yeah, natural procs now change into rad as that's the dmg you've dealing. You get rad and elec procs

For heat procs scaling, the formula has "heat dmg bonuses". Combined or not, your +150%heat definitely boosts the proc

I tested all 3 myself, using a catchmoon primary and a javlok. Using pure heat weapons against the inoffensive murmur health types worked quite well. My results perfectly match the expectations.

Alright, that's very weird, because i'm getting a completely different result that suggests that Valence infused single elements won't combine with existing single elements. But I have a theory as to what's going on.

I have a Phantasma Prime modded for Corrosive and Heat. I figured that it would be ideal because it applies so many status effects per hit due to the innate multishot.

It can apply Impact, Heat, Radiation, and Corrosive procs on it's own, with Heat being about 50% of the total elemental damage. When I applied an Electricity infusion, I was applying forced Electricity procs, as expected, but I was also still applying heat procs at the same rate as before, in addition to the other elements.

I tested this with Toxin and Cold as well- no Gas or Blast procs ever showed up, and Heat continued to proc, suggesting that it was not merging with the Valence infused element.

Now, because you specifically mentioned catchmoon and javlok, I believe that the reason for the inconsistency has to do with the fact that those weapons have innate heat, whereas my phantasma's heat is solely from mods. I haven't tested a weapon with an innate element myself because I honestly got a bit excited about the science and wanted to share my findings, but at the very least, there seems to be some wonkiness to element combining, since I should not have been able to apply electricity and heat procs simultaneously otherwise.

• I have a Phantasma Prime modded for Corrosive and Heat ... When I applied an Electricity infusion, I was applying forced Electricity procs, as expected, but I was also still applying heat procs at the same rate as before, in addition to the other elements.

Because Valance Fusion is feeding into Corrosive (Toxin + Elec) there. Whenever you form a combined element via modding two primary elements, any additional buffs that gives one of those two primary elements will feed into that combined element.

Your example is within the expected behaviour.

Ok, I probably should have just tested this before writing the above comment, but whatever.

I tested a Torid and a Shedu. Both of them combined elements as you described.

Then I tested a normal Hek modded with just a single toxin mod. This, contrary to my expectation, also combined elements, creating viral/gas/corrosive. So the odd factor out right now is the Phantasma. Here's where it gets interesting, though. And by interesting I mean not nearly as interesting as I had originally thought because I forgot an important detail.

I swapped out the heat for cold. When infusing toxin or electricity, no element merging would occur. But if I infused heat, I would get blast procs instead of cold procs.

In other words, it's working exactly like element merging always does, and combines with preexisting added elements, which I managed to completely forget about. I also seem to have failed to notice that applying Cold to the original setup does, indeed, create Blast. I suspect part of the problem there was that I did the original "test" in a 6 minute time limit bounty and was getting blast procs from glaive throws, which I mixed up in my haste/excitement.

So, long story short: the wonkiness was entirely my own error, since I completely forgot about different sources of the same element merging to the highest existing priority in the merging priority chain, in this case being the mods on the weapon. On the bright side, though, my original intention was to apply multiple single-element statuses at once, and that's still entirely possible due to the forced proc.

Of base, modified by +damage% mods. Just like any other similar ability.

Elemental, lmao

Added note: even with a lot of duration you only get 30-ish seconds on the element boost on your weapons versus default 20 seconds.

My man, 50% duration isn't "a lot" and you literally don't have to think about your loadout since you can switch elements on the fly (that's the whole point of lavos) and 30 seconds is not short considering you're playing a frame that spams abilities

I think he meant the weapon base elements that the formation combines into for faction damage bonus etc. But even that's kinda a moot point since I have a specific melee & ranged solely for Valence Formation Lavos status types wise etc

Lmao why didnt i think of this

It seems that bugged for profit taker, as some elements dont deal damage while infused. I suspect that it adds another instance of damage on top of the damage that hits, rendering blocked hits moot.

That happened to me too for a while, but now it's working.

It was because my Zenith I was using had a base element equipped onto it (Cold), causing all elements using that element to combine and making it no longer that element (Needed to use Electricity, but using this mod to get it made Magnetic).

Secondary empower completely bypasses the combining issue. Works best with high pellet/s weapons, personal fav is twin roggas, tho pyrana prime is a solid alternative from what I read

Agreed. Makes some weapons more juicy. And some weapons get completely busted with just single imbuement.