Twirling Spire

Yeah, plus, immobile stances don't feel good, because one of the things about Warframe that feels good to play is the fluid movement. It's a "gamefeel" issue.

A forced slash proc was removed from the first hit of the first attack of Cresting Peak.

But the forced slash proc on the second hit of the first attack of Cresting Peak wasn’t removed.

Ah, I was wondering if *that* was what I was mis-reading - multiple attacks per button press.

( I wasn't sure if that's how the info panels worked - the info panels are a lot less confusing now that I know that for sure.)

My bad i was pressing the wrong key, its fine, please delete

Pretty sure those are the correct animations, but used on a Guandao with 0.833 attack speed.

(And the other stances, while really ugly, have their use in clearing trash mobs faster, as you can freely move and even run while attacking with their standard.)

Lesion can kill a lvl 180 Exo Gokstad Officer( highest armor and health/lvl value) by pressing E twice at 12x combo. Lesion is still a beast. I was so hyped by the Guandao P when it came out but surprisingly Lesion just still does a tiny bit better. I used both up to lvl 1500-1700 enemies(100 waves of defenses) and lvl 600 Steel Path enemies, but the Lesion just did better. I tested Viral+Heat and Viral+Slash combo with both weapons. Viral+Heat+CD kinda meh on the Guandao, it does way better with Viral+Slash+CD. Heat just messes up the status proc distribution due to low(145%) status chance(you get less slash proc). The Lesion however works better with Viral+Heat and dont even touch crit dmg besides equipping Blood Rush to score some yellow/orange crits. Heat works well due to the high status(267%). Against enemies with even higher lvls the Guandao surely takes the lead, but its kinda irrelevant, since 98% of the time you play under lvl 300 enemies.

What about pure slash for the Guandao/Orthos?

Primed Smite and extra Attack Speed instead of Viral. Best used with Panzer Vulpaphyla for free viral procs or a priming weapon, but that can totally be stronger than Viral+Slash on high armor enemies even without it. Thats something the Lesion can't really do with that toxin buff

You can do exactly the same with the Lesion too. You tend to get 2x as more slash procs than toxin. The reasoning of this happening is that you get 100% base toxin dmg which is equal to the weapons base dmg =237. But if you have only a Carnis (+90% slash) and Buzz Kill(+120%) mod installed you will have slash dmg value=551,0. 551/237=2,32x That means to proc 1 instance of toxin dmg you will proc 2,32 instance of slash dmg. You can equip something else instead of Buzz Kill but this way the distribution between slash and toxin is 1,424x so lets count with that one(worse for lesion). That could mean that your Lesion can make up the dmg lost in toxin procs compared to the Guandao. And how exactly? You still proc more slash procs than the Guandao thanks to the higher status chance value which is 1,85x higher on the Lesion than on the Guandao. The Lesion has 222% status chance, the Guandao has 120% on 12x combo. 222/120=1,85x. So in theory you lose 0,424 on slash statuses due to toxin. So 1,85-0,424= 1,426 So you get 1,426x more slash procs with the lesion than with the Guandao. So mathematically the Guandao has to hit at least 1,426x higher slash statuses than the Lesion to be even in slash dmg. After a lot of testing before, the Guandao cant really make that much higher dmg slash procs than the lesion. Thats only the part of the reason, its really complicated to go even further in that to make everything understandable. You still have to calculate in a lot of things: Guandao has one higher crit tier exactly on max combo. But to compensate this Lesion has more base dmg( +38% at least but differs on the modding) thanks to the toxin passive. And toxin proc also affects CO so it gives +120% more melee damage. All in all both weapons are amazing and their dmg is really close to each other so yeah... Thanks, Witriol

Lmao people arguing with math which weapon is stronger when it's pretty much irrelevant since they all can melt steel path enemies with ease.

Yep it doesn't work on mine either. I think they remove the slam with the recent rework. 

there are multiple sets of bounty rewards on rotation. if Twirling Spire isn't available when you check, come back later after the bounties reset

Bleeding Willow and Shimmering Blight have fast AoE strikes while this stance has high single-target damage.

Plus it looks good with the Sydon and Vaykor Sydon. They are supposed to be massive, weighty weapons, so the faster animations of Shimmering Blight look kinda weird on it.

^btw have you seen a gram p/war with almost 1.5 atk speed boosted by volt and valkyr.

now,that seems wierd.

It's called "WTS [Twirling Spire] 5p" Because that's the most useful thing to do with it.

Good thing berserker bloodrush condition overload is the basics of any melee weapon build

I made a polearm with fucking staff attacks. How do you do a spear polearm?

Make a polearm zaw and not a staff zaw. It shows you on the screen when you are selecting the zaw parts.

Lemme think... For a game to be effective... It must provide fun and entertainment above all else.

Sure, Bleeding Willow is more effective... if you turn a game into an occupation.

Now, the complaints about "subjective feel" are actually more objective in terms of analyzing the amount of fun and entertainment you receive in return for spending time (and maybe money) on the game.

There are games for you, if you'd like - Eve Online is spreadsheet central (and it's pretty damn good if you're into something super fucking complex)

Now, personally, I dislike Stave stances because they make my hand cramp. That doesn't mean that Stave stances are bad. That they are ineffective.

And a stance is especially ineffective if I avoid using its combos because it hurts my hand.