Ember

Trinity supposed to be good and best by their logic. High resistance, can even buff allies, 'infinite energy'.... and now look at her, barely anyone uses her and statistics says it, so does Ember is. Global usage statistics DON'T LIE.

Nah bro, Ember's fine. You just don't get it.

They already over-buffed Ember and made it so she has basically infinite energy.

"InFiNiTe EnErGy" while we can have everything as infinite energy, whats the point? Her performance and skills are terrible. She sucks. admit.

She has great armor strip, she is tanky, can buff whole team dmg heal and give overguard, also aoe stagger enemies, Not evry warframe have to clear full room of 9999lvl enemy with one skill, she is acctualy fun to use beacuse all of ways u can utlize her.Like if u to say shit like "but other warframe better" then evry warframe is shit compared to gauss power lvl RN.

Andd... theres many frame that can do the same yet much stronger you just described.. Yeah. sure. 'Not every warframe have to clear full room of 9999 lvl'. but I dont think that's OP's point. Even though people want to find fun in her, they cant deny the fact theres more enjoyable yet more stronger warframes exist than Ember... Like Jade.

OP's words are so true that it is really sad. Wtf fire frame cant even do better fire damage than those who just imitate similar action, it even is worse than those thermal spamming Gauss, or even a Roar Blazing Pillage Hildryn too! Like, cmon DE.... she deserves better. Either Inferno gotta go or make Inferno better. Like, give her 360 degrees and no LoS like every other early-gen warframes she was updated with! I dont get it why she have so many constraints and requirement on her with such a small and low return.

Imagine being so bad at the game you think Ember sucks.

^ Says the guy who never plays SP nor even gone anywhere near to 9999 lvl.

U degenerate

:D

Seeing what you wrote, I can understand why you thought you were being censored.

You deserve to be censored.

Biggest crybaby of all right here, trying to laugh off the fact they spent 8 posts being upset

I mean the effort to result ratio is not that great on Ember, compared to other damage/caster Warframes.

^ eh not really

^^ her energy economy is disaster. Why are you so butthurt of her being better than before? Seemingly-doing-okay-run with a bad frame is your life achievement or something??

There's literally nothing wrong with her energy economy. Just press 3 to reset the energy drain of Immolation. So many people fail to understand this. Fire Blast resets the accumulating drain back to zero, all you have to do is press the button.

It also costs energy to do that lol

Fireball is a freespace for any helminth ability, if it was good, it would be harder to choose something of your own

A "free helminth slot" shouldn't even be a thing. Why intentionally gimp a frame's kit just so you can overwrite the ability slot later? Profound stupidity.

If the frame is good, you don't need helminth. Are you stupid? What do you think developers made ability for? To be removed??

Look at the frames like Zephyr or Dante, Hydroid. Do they really need a helminth?

The devs couldn't perfect the balance on their hand so they gave us option to fix it with Helminth, NOT to make it must on every single frame.

Helminth was not put in for the players to "fix" what the devs couldn't do for a frames kit. If that was ACTUALLY the case, we would have unlimited access to every frame ability to slot in, not just a single selected one per frame. Helminth was put in to give players an option to alter how you play with your frames, yet everybody just uses it as a bandaid fix (and sometimes unnecessarily) slot in abilities that fix the players lack of skill or plain laziness. 80% of the time it's either Nourish, roar, or wrathful advance, on frames that don't need them at all (seen nourish on garuda last week, while still having bloodletting).

Regardless, the hate on ember for being either "less ideal" or worse than any other frame comparatively speaking is a mind numbing argument. It's supposed to be about variety, and achieving whatever you're trying to do however you like. Yes, Saryn can nuke better, but she is also squishier at the same time. Mesa can clear rooms, as long as they're in her field of view. And Ember burns whole rooms, while being tankier to sustain damage. Anybody that whats to argue "x frame is better", go play Revenant, as there is no reason to play any of the rest of the roster as long as he exists in the game.

The energy management was never bad to begin with. If you're using her kit optimally while fighting, energy management becomes autonomous as you cycle between her 3rd and 4th. But, you can't tell anybody that doesn't know how to press more than one button this I suppose.....

Now, her energy economy is so braindead, she herself has become braindead easy with a full strength/minimum efficiency build using nothing but a dethcube with it's energy generator mod and arcane energize, on top of any lulls in action (such as defense wave transitions). People complain when DE makes frames too easy to use because it removes any sort of interaction of using said frame outside of just "do big damage numbers".

You are right, they should have made her energy economy worse

Not a rework, was a buff. I ran ember with decent eff and I also cast 3 everytime my immolation capped because it was a really strong armor strip.

Like 2nd post said, if your using her kit optimally the energy wasnt an issue if you were cycling properly. I appreciate the extra energy economy and it helps those who only wanted to stay at max immolation more than anything. (course the 3 being so much cheaper makes me debate on moving a few mods around now.

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Gyatt

Equinox honestly just needs alot of sensible QoL buffs. Her passive shouldn't decay when you switch forms, her energy transfer augment should be innate to her kit, and the mend portion on deactivation should do something else besides healing with all of that stored potential going to waste.

Why the fuck people are so mad at their characters being better than past?? What's your problem?

Oh gawd ya. Equinox should REALLY lean into the "duality" thing. instead Equinox you basically play as a single frame that has the option to be a different frame. specially since changing stances require you doing ALL the long af cast times on all her abilities.

While removing the jank on embers 1 is nice, really didnt think ember actually NEEDED buffs if you played her kit properly. gives a bit more options with the energy economy being much easier, does mean we can fuck around with some more interesting eff neg builds.

"Why the fuck people are so mad at their characters being better than past?? What's your problem?"

The problem isn't making anything "better". The problem is taking out interactivity and making things braindead to use, or very closely identical to each other. 57 frames in the game, i don't want every single one of them to function like saryn for damage, and revenant for survivability. There should WITHOUT A DOUBT be a variety in kits, how they function, and this little thing called "opportunity cost" with what choices you make.

There should be some level of challenge when playing the content, and your choice of frame and weaponry plays into that. The only thing that poses a threat to the player is either death, or objective failure. Most of the game modes have a "cannot fail" condition to them, so the threat of death to the player is the only form of challenge. However, if you make frame kits in such a way that remove that threat almost entirely, by either giving them almost unlimited/free energy economy, high durability with either DR or I-frames, and near autonomy while playing, kinda ruins the fun and makes things boring after some time.

Don't get me wrong, there are quite a few things that need a lookover (not just frames), but making things braindead =/= better.

Yeah I think people really got misinformed when DE wanted to turn her into something similar to Saryn, when she's really not. She's more similar to Nezha in that she's better at being a tanky weapon's platform than a glass-cannon nuker. I have an inefficient build that reaches 300% strength for her Fireball Frenzy, I put Eclipse on her 4 and she can straight up just facetank a good majority enemies. She's clunky and perhaps unsatisfying to play, but she's far from unusable.

Right now I'm planning to put Thermal Sunder on her 4 with Thermal Transfer to go all out on the weapon Heat bonus.

Question tho. does Thermal sunder boost her immolation gauge tho? cuz honestly thats what I use her 4. just to keep stacking her 2 so the 3 is just a full armor strip ability

I agree to this, actually you can even make it so her abilites become altered when she reaches max heat. An Ember with max heat should feel like a warframe that has reached the apex of her power, as you said, like a max gauge Gauss.

Maybe Immolation can give a bit of dodge chance while she's at max heat. The idea is like she's literally turning into a ball of flames which is difficult to shoot.

Maybe Fireball leaves a lingering puddle of fire underneath the enemy that it hits or when it collides with the floor.

Perhaps Fire Blast can proc 10 Heat stacks to enemies hit when at at max Heat.

Just rmake reaching max Heat appealing. You better believe I'd be sitting there with the meter draining 15 energy/s and more if it meant my Inferno can nuke.

You're already incentivised to be at max Heat, as it gives you a 90% damage reduction, a faster 1 charge time, better 3 armor strip, and up to double damage on the 4... If you're playing properly, you should just be at max Heat all the time.

^Now that you mention it, I guess Ember is just built like a weapons-platform. Her DR and armor-strip is pretty much the only reason why you'd want to be at max heat. That bonus on her 1 & 4 can pretty much be replaced by any weapon at that point.

Its incentiviced to GET to max heat. and use 3 to full armor strip. 4 is jsut there to keep the heat gauge going up as fast as you need it too. the damage isnt really worth using to kill and the 1 (even before the recent buffs) isnt REALLY worth using when 4 does better job

Yeah, I never had any energy issues... I don't hugely care either way, but it does feel like another dumbing-down. The abilities are going to be basically free now. Feels a bit similar to how Gauss was fine on release if you just played him actively as intended, then everyone complained, and now the battery bar just takes care of itself with no thought.

Good stuff

Yep, we are happy. Stop whining.