Eclipse

One of the bigger nerfs in the complete history of the game.

Nah it only was good for certain situations since the dmg buff only was active in well lit areas, so it was very inconsistend. And was specifically the best for doing Tridolons since the bmg buff weirdly worked at night in Eidolon, and since with a high strength build that gave around +800% dmg boost, you were able to cheese Tridolons even with a mk1 braton.

But everything has changed with the addition of dmg attenuation anyway so lets be honest: if you come to mission these days with good minmaxed build, you'll kill mobs in 0,1 nanoseconds anyway already. And if you face a boss who has dmg reduction anyway, that dmg reduction will fuck you up anyway.

Shield gating is stressful man, 1 unnoticed sec can cause your death and ruin the whole run. why dont just take revenant or ash then go bruh bruh with eclipse without afraid of dying

Because I'd rather jump into a running Chainsaw than to consistently be bored while playing

Are you jumping towards the chainsaw horizontally, or jumping down onto the chainsaw vertically? Diving down headfirst into a chainsaw sounds pretty thrilling if I do say so.

Something like Precision Intensify for example enables you to have a full strip Pillage on Mirage without being too strict on the stats.. or capped Gloom for example. You do NOT need to have shield gating to have decent defenses on her, unless you are doing endurance runs. Then you would need extra layers on top of those. Blind Rage, Tansient and Precision on tandem with Corrosive Projection can already can your Pillage, which suits Mirage really well. You could build those even for endurance runs without needing Brief Respite for it. You do not need shield gating to play Mirage comfortably.

Eclipse has always been a multiplicative increase though.

Ngl with respect the OP is a troll 50%, show's how talking pretty only gets you so far XD

Eclipse has always been multiplicative dummy, this is just a pure nerf

Bro's onto nothing 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

As much as it was nerfed yes , damage reduction from eclipse is multiplicative so saying to just use armour DR doesnt dismiss it since it would stack as i said multiplicatvely with any armour dr

L11, Sorta yes but mostly no. DR has diminishing returns as the armor values go up. So IF you are already using armor arcanes then that armor from the arcane is all you need for high DR. You can add more DR on that value but it wont actually matter more then a few percent of DR. Helminth Eclipse is not worth it if you are already using an armor generating arcane.

Are you dumb? Eclipse damage reduction stacks multiplicatvely. This far and beyond increases survivability. You'll last a while in SP when it stacks multiplicatvely with armour AND adaptation.

Eclipse stacks multiplicative with armor. So for a simple calculation if you got 500 health and 300 armor for a 50% damage reduction and eclipse with 75% damage reduction you have effective EHP of 4000. With just armor it would be EHP of 1000.

"Are you dumb? Eclipse damage reduction stacks multiplicatvely." As I said really clearly, if you already have a high armor with an arcane, the additional DR from Eclipse is pointless. oy.

Yes, you caught on to their nefarious “agenda”, it’s very good we have a genius on the case.

Touch grass.

they do have some problematic balancing ideals, no grass is required to realize that.

Ya. there problematic balancing ideas is

"let the over powered stuff stay overpowered for years so when we nerf it the playerbase DDos' the server again" (looking at the memeing strike. which could have been nutered by making that 90% a flat AFTER mods not on base)

Or the alternative

"that super inconsistent thing that could be good if we touched it a littlebit or bug fixed it...lets ignore it because 90% of the playerbase isnt using it anyways" (**flails wildly at bugged weapons like miter and panthera or jank stuff that only kinda works half the time**)

From the dev chats they told us why they nerfed eclipse. Nearly everyone was using it on Helminth, versus any other ability. And also the damage increase it provided was OP. So they nerfed it to the ground. FWIW I dont use it anymore on any frame because the nerf made it almost pointless.

They nerfed helminth damage bonus, probably didn't update helminth UI

May I ask is it still okay to use the 'a nerf' eclipse's damage increases or should I just stick with 'an okay' Nourish?

Nourish is still incredible. it's a completely overloaded abiltity and that didn't change. if you want best damage from helminth go roar though

@Ladyvan assuming DE didnt screw up their phrasing again, final dmg multiplier means faction dmg.

They did say "Please note that it won't be the exact same upgrade as Roar, the differences between the abilities will remain.", so I'm assuming it still works the exact same way it does right now(multiplicative total damage for weapons, nothing more), just with a way lower number

Final damage multiplier DOES NOT EQUAL to faction damage. faction damage double dips - once on the initial hit, then it boosts the proc (slash heat elec w/e). Final damage multiplier only applies to initial hit. it does not apply on the DoT damage.

What's really crazy is, mirage keeps the 200%. Rhino roar is base 50% and helminth is 30%, meaning helminth is 40% downgrade. Fair.

40%~50% reduction is the general trend for helminth version.

Considering this, if it was 100% (even down to 80%) multiplier, it would have been a fair trade off. but 200 -> helminth 30%? that's 85% downgrade.

I legit don't get the point of gutting Eclipse like this

It was always a bit overpowered for an helminth ability, and was only held down by being horribly inconsistent. So if the inconsistency goes, then the power needs to go as well. I don't mind it being a big downgrade on helminth, as over there it competes with abilities that wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as eclipse. Just maybe 30% is a bit too low.

It's gonna be on par with roar, that's fine. The problem was mostly nerfing Mirage's version because Mirage already has enough problems without taking one of the main reasons to use her. She has enough issues with survival and taking away her overwhelming damage to deal with enemies faster is crap and would make her less played rather than more.

If it's gonna be 30%, that's just a sad move, Roar is essentially +120% damage at base strength with a full squad. +30% for one person would be just a meme. It has no purpose.

You can subsume any trash CC like Inaros sand-throw, and the benefit of not having your shields aimbotted by SP Grineer increases your dps output more than 30%. Furthermore, you can subsume Shooting Gallery, to get 25% for 2 people always -> 50%, plus some CC in the same package.

Shooting gallery is additive, with weapon arcanes its like 5% damage boost for 2 people at 100% STR lmao

^It looks like you're right. I was testing DR of Mesa's 3 in Mot, and that's why it came to my mind. In any case, you get the point. 30% for 1 player is dogwater, even if multiplicative. It's has to be something else than be just "Roar but solo and worse".