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Tap down the ability key to receive Lunar Eclipse , bathing Mirage in shadows to gain (/wiki/Ability_Strength) (AbilityStrengthBuff)   25% / 40% / 60% / 75% (/wiki/Damage_Reduction) (Damage Reduction) Damage Reduction and reducing enemy accuracy. Damage reduction is capped at 90%  .   Hold the ability key to receive Solar Eclipse , bathing Mirage in light to gain (/wiki/Ability_Strength) (AbilityStrengthBuff)   115% / 125% / 150% / 200% weapon damage. The damage buff applies a multiplicative bonus that's calculated after a weapon's total damage value. E.g., with a maxed (/wiki/Intensify) (Mod TT 20px)  (/wiki/Intensify) Intensify   and a weapon that inflicts 250 total damage, a rank-3 Eclipse will increase the weapon's total damage to a maximum of 250 × (1 + 2 × [1 + (/wiki/Intensify) (Mod TT 20px)  (/wiki/Intensify) 0.3   ]) = 900 . The buff affects both initial and status effect damage. 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More Fandoms  (https://www.fandom.com/fancentral/sci-fi) Sci-fi  (https://www.fandom.com/universe/warframe) Warframe          Add a comment about Eclipse    97 comments   (/wiki/Special:Contributions/60.50.57.74)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/60.50.57.74) (60.50.57.74) A Fandom user · (8/28/2024, 1:35:19 AM) 8/28/2024           Copy Link     This skill is a joke now for helminth (from 150% damage boost  to 30%) .On top of the math with ability strength, basically 95% damage nerf. Wtf r u doin DE          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/187.78.96.244)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/187.78.96.244) (187.78.96.244) A Fandom user · (7/8/2024, 3:11:50 AM) 7/8/2024           Copy Link     Was the best skill on helmith by light years. Now is the best skill on helminth by some meters haha, fk u DE.      (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141) (74.97.177.141) A Fandom user · (8/19/2024, 11:38:53 AM) 8/19/2024           Copy Link      One of the bigger nerfs in the complete history of the game.     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/46.125.249.113)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/46.125.249.113) (46.125.249.113) A Fandom user · (9/4/2024, 9:51:16 AM) 9/4/2024           Copy Link      Nah it only was good for certain situations since the dmg buff only was active in well lit areas, so it was very inconsistend. And was specifically the best for doing Tridolons since the bmg buff weirdly worked at night in Eidolon, and since with a high strength build that gave around +800% dmg boost, you were able to cheese Tridolons even with a mk1 braton.  But everything has changed with the addition of dmg attenuation anyway so lets be honest: if you come to mission these days with good minmaxed build, you'll kill mobs in 0,1 nanoseconds anyway already. And if you face a boss who has dmg reduction anyway, that dmg reduction will fuck you up anyway.             Write a reply       (/wiki/User:MartyMarty01)       (/wiki/User:MartyMarty01) MartyMarty01 · (5/25/2024, 8:11:51 PM) 5/25/2024           Copy Link     Blind rage + transistent fortitude + umbral intensify + amar's hatred + augur secrets + power drift + 5 red crimson archon shards + molt augmented + molt vigor + sling strength (madurai) and here you have a tiny bit of 567% strength, which translates to 1134% damage boost on mirage and we're not gonna include 2 (non-melee) doppelgangers doing 113.40% of your damage (definitely use eclipse augment for that), why people wants to use her helminth instead of her? Mirage mains eating good this year      View more replies (/wiki/Special:Contributions/113.161.66.26)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/113.161.66.26) (113.161.66.26) A Fandom user · (6/2/2024, 3:47:06 PM) 6/2/2024           Copy Link      Shield gating is stressful man, 1 unnoticed sec can cause your death and ruin the whole run. why dont just take revenant or ash then go bruh bruh with eclipse without afraid of dying      (/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.43.113.156)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.43.113.156) (109.43.113.156) A Fandom user · (6/24/2024, 4:34:09 AM) 6/24/2024           Copy Link      Because I'd rather jump into a running Chainsaw than to consistently be bored while playing     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.190.117.6)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.190.117.6) (67.190.117.6) A Fandom user · (8/17/2024, 2:51:16 AM) 8/17/2024           Copy Link      Are you jumping towards the chainsaw horizontally, or jumping down onto the chainsaw vertically? Diving down headfirst into a chainsaw sounds pretty thrilling if I do say so.     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.106.165.192)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.106.165.192) (93.106.165.192) A Fandom user · (8/20/2024, 4:58:15 AM) 8/20/2024           Copy Link      Something like Precision Intensify for example enables you to have a full strip Pillage on Mirage without being too strict on the stats.. or capped Gloom for example. You do NOT need to have shield gating to have decent defenses on her, unless you are doing endurance runs. Then you would need extra layers on top of those. Blind Rage, Tansient and Precision on tandem with Corrosive  Projection can already can your Pillage, which suits Mirage really well. You could build those even for endurance runs without needing Brief Respite for it. You do not need shield gating to play Mirage comfortably.           Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/104.28.245.2)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/104.28.245.2) (104.28.245.2) A Fandom user · (5/25/2024, 1:20:22 AM) 5/25/2024           Copy Link     I think they try to make every thing distinct Roar for acts like faction dmg + buff team mates and Eclipse  for dmg reduction and little bit of dmg, it is ze "balance" of all time but Errr idk i think they really went far with this one rip next Xata's Whisper  oh well going for Roar  i guess          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/170.10.1.13)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/170.10.1.13) (170.10.1.13) A Fandom user · (5/24/2024, 6:20:43 PM) 5/24/2024           Copy Link     I think Eclipse might give some sort of crit chance increase. At 358% strength (298% base + 60% Molt Augmented if I did maths correctly) with an active void fissure buff and the strength buff from the void daxes in Conjunction Survival, I got somewhere around a 1,600% Eclipse buff and my 105% crit chance was getting rather consistent red crits. Granted, I did have a Vigilante mod on my companion's weapon, but the red crits only stopped after my Eclipse buff expired so I don't think it could've been that. Has anyone else noticed this behavior?          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/73.214.34.13)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/73.214.34.13) (73.214.34.13) A Fandom user · (5/22/2024, 11:55:40 PM) 5/22/2024           Copy Link     It's ok, an alternate stronger version of those default boosts that retains your chosen status spread/damage...but helminth wasn't updated it's still 30%......          Write a reply       (/wiki/User:FONDOS) (User avatar) (User avatar)   (/wiki/User:FONDOS) FONDOS · (4/24/2024, 3:02:51 PM) 4/24/2024           Copy Link     Just like anything else. Does NOT affect overguard. Overguard is JUST 0.5s shieldgate thats not protecting from statuses during gate time and NOTHING else          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.236.104.97)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.236.104.97) (88.236.104.97) A Fandom user · (4/24/2024, 3:20:16 AM) 4/24/2024           Copy Link     You guys are literally crying over an additive damage increase with some of the jankiest and most annoying mechanic no man ever faced, c'mon. Look behind the numbers and words, use your brain... Eclipse used to be an additive damage type increase which only increased base damage of the weapon, which didn't contributed to damage result a lot even with 500%+ more damage increase - it's now multiplicative damage increase, meaning it multiplies the damage result just like faction damage mods, i ran a 330 strenght hellminth build with near 100% damage increase and it was pretty much doubling my damage output. Even if your old 500% additive damage increase was better than my 100% multiplicative damage increase for whatever reason, what about the horrid consistency where you'd have to stay on bright places which also was incredibly inconsistent? now you'll just hold the button and here's your straightforward buff with no bullsht requirements, please do your research (or don't since i provided) before starting to jump around... peace.      View more replies (/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.106.189.233)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.106.189.233) (93.106.189.233) A Fandom user · (5/11/2024, 8:14:03 PM) 5/11/2024           Copy Link      Eclipse has always been a multiplicative increase though.     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.192.161.144)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.192.161.144) (98.192.161.144) A Fandom user · (5/16/2024, 9:42:04 PM) 5/16/2024           Copy Link      Ngl with respect the OP is a troll 50%, show's how talking pretty only gets you so far XD     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.130.76.30)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.130.76.30) (70.130.76.30) A Fandom user · (5/18/2024, 10:25:54 PM) 5/18/2024           Copy Link      Eclipse has always been multiplicative dummy, this is just a pure nerf     (/wiki/User:MartyMarty01)       (/wiki/User:MartyMarty01) MartyMarty01 · (5/25/2024, 8:01:12 PM) 5/25/2024           Copy Link      Bro's onto nothing 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️           Write a reply       (/wiki/User:Benedictus1887) (User avatar) (User avatar)   (/wiki/User:Benedictus1887) Benedictus1887 · (4/23/2024, 11:12:23 PM) 4/23/2024           Copy Link     DE try not to nerf something straight down to the core of the earth CHALLENGE  [IMPOSSIBLE DIFFICULTY] [STEEL PATH II]           Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141) (74.97.177.141) A Fandom user · (4/20/2024, 12:53:39 PM) 4/20/2024           Copy Link     If it was DE's goal to make people completely stop using it with Helminth, then it worked.  RIP eclipse. There's so many ways in the game now to create damage reduction with armor arcanes that eclipse does not matter for DR.  The damage increase was so downwardly nerfed, it is pointless. Oh well.       (/wiki/User:L115A3)       (/wiki/User:L115A3) L115A3 · (4/24/2024, 10:53:16 PM) 4/24/2024           Copy Link      As much as it was nerfed yes , damage reduction from eclipse is multiplicative so saying to just use armour DR doesnt dismiss it since it would stack as i said multiplicatvely  with any armour dr     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141) (74.97.177.141) A Fandom user · (5/4/2024, 11:33:41 AM) 5/4/2024           Copy Link      L11, Sorta yes but mostly no.  DR has diminishing returns as the armor values go up.  So IF you are already using armor arcanes then that armor from the arcane is all you need for high DR.  You can add more DR on that value but it wont actually matter more then a few percent of DR.  Helminth Eclipse is not worth it if you are already using an armor generating arcane.      (/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.132.206.141)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.132.206.141) (212.132.206.141) A Fandom user · (5/6/2024, 9:11:20 AM) 5/6/2024           Copy Link      Are you dumb? Eclipse damage reduction stacks multiplicatvely. This far and beyond increases survivability. You'll last a while in SP when it stacks multiplicatvely with armour AND adaptation.      (/wiki/Special:Contributions/46.223.162.169)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/46.223.162.169) (46.223.162.169) A Fandom user · (5/6/2024, 12:55:41 PM) 5/6/2024           Copy Link      Eclipse stacks multiplicative with armor. So for a simple calculation if you got 500 health and 300 armor for a 50% damage reduction and eclipse with 75% damage reduction you have effective EHP of 4000. With just armor it would be EHP of 1000.           Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.175.48.244)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.175.48.244) (78.175.48.244) A Fandom user · (4/19/2024, 5:26:02 AM) 4/19/2024           Copy Link     Why did you kill eclipse? now you lose players.      (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141) (74.97.177.141) A Fandom user · (8/19/2024, 11:37:36 AM) 8/19/2024           Copy Link      "Are you dumb? Eclipse damage reduction stacks multiplicatvely." As I said really clearly, if you already have a high armor with an arcane, the additional DR from Eclipse is pointless.  oy.           Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.94.235.52)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.94.235.52) (87.94.235.52) A Fandom user · (4/2/2024, 5:36:40 PM) 4/2/2024           Copy Link     Nice joke. 30% is an obvious blanket nerf aimed to prevent edge case afk-farming and max strength synergies or whatever DE considers the biggest problem, but are too scared to fix.  So instead, they punish the whole community, simply hoping people are dumb enough to believe there's no agenda behind the 30% other than balance.      (/wiki/User:Kheiran)       (/wiki/User:Kheiran) Kheiran · (4/3/2024, 1:39:03 AM) 4/3/2024           Copy Link      Yes, you caught on to their nefarious “agenda”, it’s very good we have a genius on the case.  Touch grass.     (/wiki/User:Benedictus1887) (User avatar) (User avatar)   (/wiki/User:Benedictus1887) Benedictus1887 · (4/23/2024, 11:09:36 PM) 4/23/2024           Copy Link      they do have some problematic balancing ideals, no grass is required to realize that.     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.8.228.8)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.8.228.8) (172.8.228.8) A Fandom user · (4/28/2024, 9:00:09 AM) 4/28/2024           Copy Link      Ya. there problematic balancing ideas is "let the over powered stuff stay overpowered for years so when we nerf it the playerbase DDos' the server again" (looking at the memeing strike. which could have been nutered by making that 90% a flat AFTER mods not on base) Or the alternative "that super inconsistent thing that could be good if we touched it a littlebit or bug fixed it...lets ignore it because 90% of the playerbase isnt using it anyways" (**flails wildly at bugged weapons like miter and panthera or jank stuff that only kinda works half the time**)     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.97.177.141) (74.97.177.141) A Fandom user · (5/4/2024, 11:38:52 AM) 5/4/2024           Copy Link      From the dev chats they told us why they nerfed eclipse. Nearly everyone was using it on Helminth, versus any other ability.  And also the damage increase it provided was OP.  So they nerfed it to the ground. FWIW I dont use it anymore on any frame because the nerf made it almost pointless.            Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/102.89.40.198)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/102.89.40.198) (102.89.40.198) A Fandom user · (3/31/2024, 12:53:26 PM) 3/31/2024           Copy Link     Idk if I'm the only one seeing this but i think the eclipse helminth is bugged , cause how will it say i have 380% damage increase and 90% DR in my orbiter's arsenal UI (i understand if its meant to be capped to 75% but my UI shows it as 90% DR) , but when i go in-game or even in the simulacrum what it shows is extremely low values. In this case the solar eclipse (damage increase buff) shows like around 87% or 85% (i cant really remember the exact value right now) and the same thing for lunar eclipse as well which also shows way lower values than with is shown when in the orbiter's arsenal UI. idk but if someone understands something I'm getting wrong here , let me know , or if its a bug let DE know       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/136.22.13.100)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/136.22.13.100) (136.22.13.100) A Fandom user · (3/31/2024, 5:49:55 PM) 3/31/2024           Copy Link      They nerfed helminth damage bonus, probably didn't update helminth UI      (/wiki/Special:Contributions/223.204.238.246)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/223.204.238.246) (223.204.238.246) A Fandom user · (4/1/2024, 11:41:44 AM) 4/1/2024           Copy Link      May I ask is it still okay to use the 'a nerf' eclipse's damage increases or should I just stick with 'an okay' Nourish?     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.90.147.154)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.90.147.154) (50.90.147.154) A Fandom user · (4/8/2024, 7:19:33 PM) 4/8/2024           Copy Link      Nourish is still incredible. it's a completely overloaded abiltity and that didn't change. if you want best damage from helminth go roar though           Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.66.78.232)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.66.78.232) (82.66.78.232) A Fandom user · (3/29/2024, 3:45:51 PM) 3/29/2024           Copy Link     It's the opposite, by default you have to TAP to have the Lunar buff, and HOLD to get the Solar buff.          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.74.212.206)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.74.212.206) (66.74.212.206) A Fandom user · (3/28/2024, 6:14:55 AM) 3/28/2024           Copy Link     Honestly, I care about the damage reduction for mirage. With the new change, mirage is no longer constantly dying on me.          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.56.152.49)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.56.152.49) (172.56.152.49) A Fandom user · (3/28/2024, 5:09:31 AM) 3/28/2024           Copy Link     Love new eclipse on mirage. Don't ever see myself subsuming it over roar though... Quick pro con list Roar buffs allies, Eclipse needs augment + need to remain close  Roar Buffs more abilities  Eclipse might work better with bane mods (It does with raw dmg but unsure with status effect dmg) Eclipse has an option to gain dmg resist (this is the main reason I see to infuse eclipse, but I would probably use quiver instead)          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/187.188.79.230)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/187.188.79.230) (187.188.79.230) A Fandom user · (3/28/2024, 3:52:11 AM) 3/28/2024           Copy Link     F Eclipse, not even as Mirage with 700% Solar Eclipse feels good. They changed something and ruined it.          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/77.169.183.18)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/77.169.183.18) (77.169.183.18) A Fandom user · (3/3/2024, 7:56:17 PM) 3/3/2024           Copy Link     Final dmg multiplier is much better then base dmg multiplier. i rather have 20 final dmg then 600 base dmg       View more replies (/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.31.87.7)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.31.87.7) (94.31.87.7) A Fandom user · (3/14/2024, 10:23:12 AM) 3/14/2024           Copy Link      @(https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ladyvan) Ladyvan assuming DE didnt screw up their phrasing again, final dmg multiplier means faction dmg.     (/wiki/User:Ladyvan) (User avatar) (User avatar)   (/wiki/User:Ladyvan) Ladyvan · (3/15/2024, 1:10:47 AM) 3/15/2024           Copy Link      They did say "Please note that it won't be the exact same upgrade as Roar, the differences between the abilities will remain.", so I'm assuming it still works the exact same way it does right now(multiplicative total damage for weapons, nothing more), just with a way lower number     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/142.115.74.173)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/142.115.74.173) (142.115.74.173) A Fandom user · (3/25/2024, 8:08:00 AM) 3/25/2024           Copy Link      Final damage multiplier DOES NOT EQUAL to faction damage. faction damage double dips - once on the initial hit, then it boosts the proc (slash heat elec w/e). Final damage multiplier only applies to initial hit. it does not apply on the DoT damage.  What's really crazy is, mirage keeps the 200%. Rhino roar is base 50% and helminth is 30%, meaning helminth is 40% downgrade. Fair. 40%~50% reduction is the general trend for helminth version.  Considering this, if it was 100% (even down to 80%) multiplier, it would have been a fair trade off. but 200 -> helminth 30%? that's 85% downgrade. I legit don't get the point of gutting Eclipse like this     (/wiki/User:Ladyvan) (User avatar) (User avatar)   (/wiki/User:Ladyvan) Ladyvan · (3/25/2024, 1:21:57 PM) 3/25/2024           Copy Link      It was always a bit overpowered for an helminth ability, and was only held down by being horribly inconsistent. So if the inconsistency goes, then the power needs to go as well. I don't mind it being a big downgrade on helminth, as over there it competes with abilities that wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as eclipse. Just maybe 30% is a bit too low.           Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/77.169.183.18)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/77.169.183.18) (77.169.183.18) A Fandom user · (3/3/2024, 3:31:22 PM) 3/3/2024           Copy Link     Look I'm all happy they will still keep it at final dmg multiplier after the nerf. but DE please give at least 50% to 100% instead of 30%. its the same as roar but ur not giving it to teammates, it lasts shorter and it doesn't affect abilities. roar is just way better now. i get that 150% would be too much for a toggle but atleast 50% to 100% would be worth it.  I use eclipse for years cuz i didn't mind having to stand in light to use it. i just really like the dmg and tbh its a pve it doesnt need to be nerfed to the ground. its more a defense ability with the toggle.          Write a reply       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.240.130.255)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.240.130.255) (89.240.130.255) A Fandom user · (2/24/2024, 7:51:45 PM) 2/24/2024           Copy Link     Nobody asked for a nerfff wth DE doing things ppl didnt want at all tf ooohh wow its a bit more popular than the avg helminth it must be absolute dogshit on mirage herself too for some rsn      View more replies (/wiki/User:Sendaa) (User avatar) (User avatar)   (/wiki/User:Sendaa) Sendaa · (2/28/2024, 1:07:13 AM) 2/28/2024           Copy Link      It's gonna be on par with roar, that's fine. The problem was mostly nerfing Mirage's version because Mirage already has enough problems without taking one of the main reasons to use her. She has enough issues with survival and taking away her overwhelming damage to deal with enemies faster is crap and would make her less played rather than more.     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.92.129.98)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.92.129.98) (87.92.129.98) A Fandom user · (2/29/2024, 2:14:04 AM) 2/29/2024           Copy Link      If it's gonna be 30%, that's just a sad move, Roar is essentially +120% damage at base strength with a full squad. +30% for one person would be just a meme. It has no purpose.  You can subsume any trash CC like Inaros sand-throw, and the benefit of not having your shields aimbotted by SP Grineer increases your dps output more than 30%. Furthermore, you can subsume Shooting Gallery, to get 25% for 2 people always -> 50%,  plus some CC in the same package.     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/136.169.173.172)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/136.169.173.172) (136.169.173.172) A Fandom user · (2/29/2024, 3:47:59 PM) 2/29/2024           Copy Link      Shooting gallery is additive, with weapon arcanes its like 5% damage boost for 2 people at 100% STR lmao     (/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.92.144.31)       (/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.92.144.31) (87.92.144.31) A Fandom user · (2/29/2024, 11:29:11 PM) 2/29/2024           Copy Link      ^It looks like you're right. I was testing DR of Mesa's 3 in Mot, and that's why it came to my mind. In any case, you get the point. 30% for 1 player is dogwater, even if multiplicative. It's has to be something else than be just "Roar but solo and worse".           Write a reply       Load more comments           Community Chat   (https://discord.com/?utm_source=Discord%20Widget&utm_medium=Logo)  2497 Tenno Online  Tenno   ꧁༒☬𝓜𝓸𝓶𝓶𝔂☬༒꧂    ♡ 𝒹𝓇𝒶𝓉𝒶𝓎𝒶𝓇𝒶𝓈𝓊 ♡    0re0    ABBRoland    AK_47    Alahus    Andy. 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