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Nourish subsume vs roar/eclipse/xata
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Hey fashionframe redditors, got a quick question for you math experts. With the "new" nourish subsume, and the extra utilities it provides, is it worth using as a replacer for damage buffs like roar/eclipse/xata? I do know a bit about each, roar counts as faction but has diminished returns if u have faction mods. Xata counts as aditional damage and double dips the double dips from faction mods, and eclipse has the highest damage increase but with the share with the DR if ur in shadow. All this said, nourish is a straight damage increase as viral, with extras like the energy regen multiplyer and the aoe viral explosion.
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Nourish is a shoe-in if you're using Corr/Mag Tenet or Kuva weapons, or if your frame has a fullstrip due to the 1.75x multiplier against flesh. It's also a great energy economy tool. If you have fullstrip it's even stronger than Eclipse, although Xata is still king on any weapons that can exploit its headshot shenanigans (and Quivara), or frames and weapons with stealth multis.
The other niche use is minion master frames like Cali, certain Inaros builds, and Nekros, as each of your buffed minions has an individual pulse cooldown.
Edit: slight maths error, Nourish and Eclipse break even at 400% power strength, earlier than that depending on how much elemental damage you've modded onto your weapon. After that, Eclipse performs better. Too late in the day to figure out the actual breakpoint.
The other niche use is minion master frames like Cali, certain Inaros builds, and Nekros, as each of your buffed minions has an individual pulse cooldown.
I saw a pretty fun build for Xaku with this in mind. Take control of a bunch of enemies with Accuse, then give them all viral damage
I'd say only bother with nourish if your frame still has energy issues and your weapon actually wants to build for viral while accepting you're fucking over any teammate wanting to use melee.
How does this fuck over melee users? Nourish into melee is a decent damage chunk. Assuming you mean for Slash Priority?
Nourish is very useful on a lot of frames but you mostly use it for viral damage to weapon and viral aoe application to everyone, the increased energy regen is an amazing utility aswell.
When it comes to pure damage eclipse, roar are better, unless going long endurance you do more than enough damage without the need for damage buffs like roar or eclipse so nourish fits well as general purpose. Think it's my most used subsume now, even beating gloom and breach surge
Xata on non-hitscan weapons with punchthrough is very good. (think Mags bubble, things like Felarx, Phenmor) And it's not just single target, the projectiles will proc void to other enemies around them, so it turns very strong single target weapons into psudo-AOE type weapons.
The damage boost from the other two is still far greater, but Nourish has the extra energy you get with it active is a very nice bonus; it works fairly well to free you from needing Arcane Energize on some frames. I like to use it on Wisp to fully round out her support capabilities.
